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Drnytol Posted 14-Apr-2013 16:29
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I'm really struggling with a basic issue and i would appreciate some advice.

I have bought the film and activator from Hydrographics so i'm happy the product is ok but no matter what i try i can't get the film to liquify and obviously unable to dip anything into it. The film just remains as a film, when i remove the film after a failed dipping it feels very slippy and acts like its started to break down but hasn't completely.

I have the water temp at approx 32oC although i have tried anywhere between 30 and 38. Film is sticky side down into the water although i have tried both ways(The film acts the same regardless of which side of the film is placed onto the water). I leave the film floating for around 60 seconds and have also tried up to 90 seconds, spray the activator and leave for anything between 20 and 60 seconds before dipping. i have tried light, medium and heavy coats of activator but the film just won't liquify.

I have lost count of the amount of YouTube videos i have watched and the web pages i've read but everybody seems to follow the same steps that i'm taking yet failing at such a basic stage of the process !!

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Tonyshd2 Posted 14-Apr-2013 18:06
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check to make sure that your film is shiny side up.

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Drnytol Posted 14-Apr-2013 18:26
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It's hard to tell which is the shiny side with the film i'm using so i've even tried dipping 2 pieces, one with sticky side up and the sticky side down but no joy i'm afraid

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Hydro-H Posted 14-Apr-2013 23:58
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Quite  strange, this is our most popular carbon and although difficult to use as in tends to fold on itself and crease if taped too much is other wise easy to use.
First thing I would say is you don't need to wait to dip after activation. If the film is glassy then it's good to go.
Waiting will only allow the activator to start to evaporate and allow the ink to start to solidify again.
Is the film going glassy ? Does it look ready to dip ?
Is it our activator ?

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Drnytol Posted 15-Apr-2013 19:20
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I've just tried again now. 

Water at 32 deg, shiny side up/sticky side down, Left floating for 60 seconds then sprayed the activator but still the same result.

I'm using rectangular pieces of film and i tape both of the longer sides and cut through the masking tape in several places.
The 2 sides which aren't taped react almost straight away when placed on the surface of the water and curl slightly, after 30 seconds the film looks to have 'soaked in' some water and is slightly wrinkly. I spray the activator after 60 seconds, the surface of the film turns to a matt finish. The other change to the film is that the wrinkles disappear. I certainly don't see a finish that you would call glassy or even slightly shiny. From what i have seen on many YouTube videos it doesn't look ready to dip.

Yes i am using both your carbon film and activator.

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Hydro-H Posted 18-Apr-2013 00:47
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Please drop me an email at info@hydrographicswarehouse.co.uk
with your name and contact number.
and we will get to the bottom of this. It just doesn't sound right to me and
I want to make sure you get some results .
We want people to be happy dippers !

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Tonyshd2 Posted 22-Apr-2013 19:20
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i am having the exact same problem. i have waisted around 8 meters of film and loads of pain and activator .Starting to think this is a bad idea.

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Tonyshd2 Posted 22-Apr-2013 19:21
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If you do get an answer to your problem can you let me know how to sort this out? thanks

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Drnytol Posted 30-Apr-2013 05:36
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The issue i had was due to activator.

I had been given the activator off a friend who bought it some time ago and the label had peeled off the can so i assumed it was purchased from HydroGraphics Warehouse as thats where he recommended i buy the film from, either way it was old stock and i guess this stuff has a shelf life.

I received a fresh can and the film turned 'glassy' a few seconds after i sprayed the activator where it previously had a matt finish and just a few seconds later i could see the pattern expanding/liquifying and i was able to successfully dip my first yoghurt pot

Big thanks to Terry at HydroGraphics Warehouse as i was ready for giving up too, stick with it Tonyshd2 

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Hydro-H Posted 03-May-2013 22:42
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It is worth saying, we try to help everyone via the forum , email or phone but for those of you wanting to take this up seriously for a living then we run an excellent training course in conjunction with one of our customers.
Please contact us for more info

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Street Tweaks Posted 22-Feb-2014 17:28
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hi just looking for a little help if poss , I have been playing with the dipping kit I get off ebay now for a few weeks all was going well but now I am starting to get what looks like air bubbles in the film after its been diped and I am washing it down ? I change my water after 4/5 dips as I have no filters on my tank . the water temp is between 28 and 30 c and I am leaveing the film to lay in the water for 40 to 50 sec and the activator for 10 sec , just started having this problem

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